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		<title>Comment on Forty Seven Years Ago by E. Keenan</title>
		<link>http://www.dsoderblog.com/?p=119&#038;cpage=1#comment-2528</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Keenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember shopping at Mission Valley Center back in 2001 for a suit or something like that, and seeing the former Montgomery Ward space being torn apart when Target took over the building; watching that simple façade being removed for a &quot;modern&quot; look. And I wondered &quot;Where have I seen that look before? Oh, right, in the boxes of Legos I had as a kid.&quot;

It&#039;s unfortunate, because I remember the Mission Valley Wards was one of the more opulent ones. Simple and rather utilitarian on the outside, but inside, an undercurrent of stated elegance; unheard of for Montgomery Ward.

And to the mall itself, I remember my mother taking me shopping for the first time. I believe it was 1962, but she wanted to sit down and rest her feet, so she let me loose in this large center courtyard; it had a fountain, greenery, and led to the parking garage. As I recall, around 1967, that center courtyard was dug up and replaced with concrete dinosaurs and basically turned into a large sandpit before Westfield decided that open space was a bad thing and filled it in to make room for the Ruby&#039;s that is there today.

It&#039;s a real shame what&#039;s happened to this mall, and I dread what will happen to it once Westfield expands it.

PS: I have a friend who is in a high position at the Macy&#039;s store, they are tossing around the idea of reopening the former restaurant, but nothing is set in stone yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember shopping at Mission Valley Center back in 2001 for a suit or something like that, and seeing the former Montgomery Ward space being torn apart when Target took over the building; watching that simple façade being removed for a &#8220;modern&#8221; look. And I wondered &#8220;Where have I seen that look before? Oh, right, in the boxes of Legos I had as a kid.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate, because I remember the Mission Valley Wards was one of the more opulent ones. Simple and rather utilitarian on the outside, but inside, an undercurrent of stated elegance; unheard of for Montgomery Ward.</p>
<p>And to the mall itself, I remember my mother taking me shopping for the first time. I believe it was 1962, but she wanted to sit down and rest her feet, so she let me loose in this large center courtyard; it had a fountain, greenery, and led to the parking garage. As I recall, around 1967, that center courtyard was dug up and replaced with concrete dinosaurs and basically turned into a large sandpit before Westfield decided that open space was a bad thing and filled it in to make room for the Ruby&#8217;s that is there today.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a real shame what&#8217;s happened to this mall, and I dread what will happen to it once Westfield expands it.</p>
<p>PS: I have a friend who is in a high position at the Macy&#8217;s store, they are tossing around the idea of reopening the former restaurant, but nothing is set in stone yet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Let&#8217;s Save the State Theatre Terrazzo by Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.dsoderblog.com/?p=419&#038;cpage=1#comment-2527</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Architecture of the past seems to open it&#039;s arms to people, welcoming them with style and class.  The designers seemed to have lots of respect for us, the public.  I don&#039;t get that feeling at all from today&#039;s architecture. When I walk into an art deco building I feel like Joan Crawford must have felt descending from her stair cases in the movies!  Makes me feel elegant, rich and sophisticated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Architecture of the past seems to open it&#8217;s arms to people, welcoming them with style and class.  The designers seemed to have lots of respect for us, the public.  I don&#8217;t get that feeling at all from today&#8217;s architecture. When I walk into an art deco building I feel like Joan Crawford must have felt descending from her stair cases in the movies!  Makes me feel elegant, rich and sophisticated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A San Diego Historic Preservation Disaster by Loraine Cruz Cummings</title>
		<link>http://www.dsoderblog.com/?p=672&#038;cpage=1#comment-2526</link>
		<dc:creator>Loraine Cruz Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregory sounds like a really good guy and passionate about preservation.  Good to know he, like you and others are out there.  Keeps giving me hope that some good can come from this tragedy.  I think that the destruction of this treasure was slithered by everyone on purpose by someone who doesn&#039;t have the right intentions for this city and its preservation or could it be just stupidity?  I would like to see mandated paid oversight and noticing to come from this.  We can&#039;t ever let the officials slide and wiggle  by the people who care about history and art again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory sounds like a really good guy and passionate about preservation.  Good to know he, like you and others are out there.  Keeps giving me hope that some good can come from this tragedy.  I think that the destruction of this treasure was slithered by everyone on purpose by someone who doesn&#8217;t have the right intentions for this city and its preservation or could it be just stupidity?  I would like to see mandated paid oversight and noticing to come from this.  We can&#8217;t ever let the officials slide and wiggle  by the people who care about history and art again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A San Diego Historic Preservation Disaster by Gregory May</title>
		<link>http://www.dsoderblog.com/?p=672&#038;cpage=1#comment-2525</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j283/dsought/FordBuildingSanDiegoArtDeco-copyasSmartObject-1.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Ford Dealership&quot; /&gt;

I would have chained myself to the building if I knew this was happening.  I just learned of your site and organization just a few minutes ago.  I&#039;ve loved this building for a long time and I didn&#039;t know there were other people who felt about this building as I did. 

San Diego is going in the wrong direction with wiping away great buildings like this... for a friggin&#039; parking lot?  How original.    I&#039;m just sick. 


—Gregory May


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<p>I would have chained myself to the building if I knew this was happening.  I just learned of your site and organization just a few minutes ago.  I&#8217;ve loved this building for a long time and I didn&#8217;t know there were other people who felt about this building as I did. </p>
<p>San Diego is going in the wrong direction with wiping away great buildings like this&#8230; for a friggin&#8217; parking lot?  How original.    I&#8217;m just sick. </p>
<p>—Gregory May</p>
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		<title>Comment on A San Diego Historic Preservation Disaster by Ronald V. May</title>
		<link>http://www.dsoderblog.com/?p=672&#038;cpage=1#comment-2524</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald V. May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 03:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter Casey owned that building and paid for its construction. Ironically, he was a leader in the 1932 campaign to reverse the corruption of the mayor and force the City Council to hire a City Manager. That action of the Civic Affairs Committee convinced Henry Ford to finance construction of the building you photographed in Balboa Park. Casey had cars driven from his dealership up to the Exposition Grounds and then loop back to his dealership. To understand how that worked, you needed both buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter Casey owned that building and paid for its construction. Ironically, he was a leader in the 1932 campaign to reverse the corruption of the mayor and force the City Council to hire a City Manager. That action of the Civic Affairs Committee convinced Henry Ford to finance construction of the building you photographed in Balboa Park. Casey had cars driven from his dealership up to the Exposition Grounds and then loop back to his dealership. To understand how that worked, you needed both buildings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A San Diego Historic Preservation Disaster by &#187; blacklist-ed sd urban</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; blacklist-ed sd urban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an historic art deco building in east village has been demolished, to make way for a salvation army parking lot.  coupled with SA&#8217;s anti-gay policies, this [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on A San Diego Historic Preservation Disaster by Michael J. Young</title>
		<link>http://www.dsoderblog.com/?p=672&#038;cpage=1#comment-2522</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael J. Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 03:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWD; SDUT August 25, 2019.

This is a cautionary tale for those sophisticated enough to recognize the value of historic preservation. The Historic preservation movement was borne, largely, because of the demolition of inarguably important resources (Penn Station, NYC) and was propelled by the distasteful loss of Victorian mansions and delightful Italianate commercial buildings. As the movement matured, less obvious but nevertheless important buildings representing working-class neighborhoods and more common buildings were added to the list of historic resources (Ford Dealership). It has long been misunderstood that listing a building saves it. The protections vary wildly from city to city. In some cases there are daunting review processes and some outright prohibitions. In other cities the designation is almost only ceremonial. San Diego seems to occupy a middle ground. The loss of this dealership might not trouble many people because the 2010 state of the building and its simple architectural style - largely free of intricate decorations - is not as compelling as the traditional historic property (Villa Montezuma). But the loss of this building is terribly important because it reveals a massive gap in the process - big enough to drove a bulldozer through. Weekend demolitions are the standard operating procedure for those who have calculated it&#039;s easier to ask forgiveness then ask permission. I was chair of a preservation group for over a decade. Our solution was to have enacted severe penalties, including the denial of building permits for years, on any property that was subject to an illegal or suspicious demolition without proper notice. I am puzzled how the City staffer, the city&#039;s chief historic preservation officer Cathy Winterrowd, could have failed to follow up. After all, I cannot imagine her desk has a stack of demolition reviews to tackle, given the current state of the economy.  I find it difficult to swallow that this due to an overwhelming task load. There ought to be a cost to this. This should be the starting point for a review of the consequences of suspicious demolition sequences. I recommend the Salvation Army be required to clear the site, grade it, seed it, and landscape it, leaving it unfenced and open to the public as interim open space. PLUS they be denied a building or paving permit for a minimum of five (5) years. That should send a signal that sneaky weekend raid on historic properties are consequential and far more expensive than following the process in good faith.

Michael J. Young San Diego, California</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWD; SDUT August 25, 2019.</p>
<p>This is a cautionary tale for those sophisticated enough to recognize the value of historic preservation. The Historic preservation movement was borne, largely, because of the demolition of inarguably important resources (Penn Station, NYC) and was propelled by the distasteful loss of Victorian mansions and delightful Italianate commercial buildings. As the movement matured, less obvious but nevertheless important buildings representing working-class neighborhoods and more common buildings were added to the list of historic resources (Ford Dealership). It has long been misunderstood that listing a building saves it. The protections vary wildly from city to city. In some cases there are daunting review processes and some outright prohibitions. In other cities the designation is almost only ceremonial. San Diego seems to occupy a middle ground. The loss of this dealership might not trouble many people because the 2010 state of the building and its simple architectural style &#8211; largely free of intricate decorations &#8211; is not as compelling as the traditional historic property (Villa Montezuma). But the loss of this building is terribly important because it reveals a massive gap in the process &#8211; big enough to drove a bulldozer through. Weekend demolitions are the standard operating procedure for those who have calculated it&#8217;s easier to ask forgiveness then ask permission. I was chair of a preservation group for over a decade. Our solution was to have enacted severe penalties, including the denial of building permits for years, on any property that was subject to an illegal or suspicious demolition without proper notice. I am puzzled how the City staffer, the city&#8217;s chief historic preservation officer Cathy Winterrowd, could have failed to follow up. After all, I cannot imagine her desk has a stack of demolition reviews to tackle, given the current state of the economy.  I find it difficult to swallow that this due to an overwhelming task load. There ought to be a cost to this. This should be the starting point for a review of the consequences of suspicious demolition sequences. I recommend the Salvation Army be required to clear the site, grade it, seed it, and landscape it, leaving it unfenced and open to the public as interim open space. PLUS they be denied a building or paving permit for a minimum of five (5) years. That should send a signal that sneaky weekend raid on historic properties are consequential and far more expensive than following the process in good faith.</p>
<p>Michael J. Young San Diego, California</p>
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		<title>Comment on A San Diego Historic Preservation Disaster by Daniel Soderberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Soderberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 03:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supposing a parking structure was proposed. The building could have been used for that. At least the facade could have been kept, and parking built behind it. That&#039;s just one idea. The problem here was ideas were not allowed to be put forward or heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supposing a parking structure was proposed. The building could have been used for that. At least the facade could have been kept, and parking built behind it. That&#8217;s just one idea. The problem here was ideas were not allowed to be put forward or heard.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A San Diego Historic Preservation Disaster by Katherine Hon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Hon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 03:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we sacrifice for places to park cars. How very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we sacrifice for places to park cars. How very sad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A San Diego Historic Preservation Disaster by HillQuest</title>
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		<dc:creator>HillQuest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An open letter from Dionne Carlson to
Mayor Jerry Sanders &amp; the SD City Council
Shocking, shameful, illegal demolition of historic Art Deco
building at 12th &amp; Broadway

I am just horrified to learn from SOHO of yet another historic building now lost. And you promised this wouldn’t happen again!

So… just how was this allowed?

Please investigate, and more importantly, pass the changes and reforms that SOHO, the Neighborhood Historic Preservation Coalition, Mission Hills Heritage, the Hillcrest History Guild and others asked for...and which the city promised at the LU&amp;H hearing on Historic Preservation this year. Among them: (1) No demolition permit should ever be issued on a weekend, and no demolition should be permitted to occur over a weekend. (2) No demolition permit should be issued without the proper noticing and review Ford showroom, downtown San Diego (Park Boulevard &amp; C Street) -- demolished August 21, 2010to determine whether or not the building in question is historic. (3) Fines and consequences for illegally demolishing a historic building should be as financially devastating to the “demolisher” as to the building’s structure.

Currently the fines do not even make a dent in the pocket of someone intent on flouting the law.

This was the old Ford dealership; an extremely important building designed by the internationally renowned Walter Teague. It shares design elements with a companion building in Balboa Park that is on the National Register. Staff at HRB had been notified in writing by San Diego preservationists on numerous occasions of its significance.

I am sadly disappointed that you permitted this to occur on your watch, and I sincerely hope you will take the steps necessary to ensure it does not re-occur.

Dionne Carlson, Letter pubished in http://www.hillquest.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An open letter from Dionne Carlson to<br />
Mayor Jerry Sanders &#038; the SD City Council<br />
Shocking, shameful, illegal demolition of historic Art Deco<br />
building at 12th &#038; Broadway</p>
<p>I am just horrified to learn from SOHO of yet another historic building now lost. And you promised this wouldn’t happen again!</p>
<p>So… just how was this allowed?</p>
<p>Please investigate, and more importantly, pass the changes and reforms that SOHO, the Neighborhood Historic Preservation Coalition, Mission Hills Heritage, the Hillcrest History Guild and others asked for&#8230;and which the city promised at the LU&#038;H hearing on Historic Preservation this year. Among them: (1) No demolition permit should ever be issued on a weekend, and no demolition should be permitted to occur over a weekend. (2) No demolition permit should be issued without the proper noticing and review Ford showroom, downtown San Diego (Park Boulevard &#038; C Street) &#8212; demolished August 21, 2010to determine whether or not the building in question is historic. (3) Fines and consequences for illegally demolishing a historic building should be as financially devastating to the “demolisher” as to the building’s structure.</p>
<p>Currently the fines do not even make a dent in the pocket of someone intent on flouting the law.</p>
<p>This was the old Ford dealership; an extremely important building designed by the internationally renowned Walter Teague. It shares design elements with a companion building in Balboa Park that is on the National Register. Staff at HRB had been notified in writing by San Diego preservationists on numerous occasions of its significance.</p>
<p>I am sadly disappointed that you permitted this to occur on your watch, and I sincerely hope you will take the steps necessary to ensure it does not re-occur.</p>
<p>Dionne Carlson, Letter pubished in <a href="http://www.hillquest.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hillquest.com/</a></p>
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